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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.

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So 2003, 2013, you excuse me, Faculty Director and co founder of the Research Center for Leadership in action, Robert F Waggoner, graduate school, Public Service, New York University. And then 2023 2013 2023, faculty co director of the Center for Leadership Development. What was the purpose of the Center for Leadership and action? It was it came out of the work that we did and an understanding that more research needed to happen, that we could support people who were doing leadership development programs and bring a different perspective on it because, you know, like there's a lot of implications of thinking about leadership in the way we were proposing to think about leadership. And the little a little anecdote there is that when we first took our design to Ford, the program officer was fascinated. Loved this original design with these three streams and he was like, Oh, my gosh. This is so fantastic. Why don't you create a center? I'm sure that we could fund you because there's a lot of people who come ask for leadership research, and we don't see any it's not interesting for us, what they're proposing, but this is interesting. And I remember we said I said, actually, this I said, listen, hold it. Is a little risky. Give us a couple of years to try this. And if and if we see that it works that the promise fulfills itself, then we'll come back and then you can fund us. And we did that. And I did and they did. We did and they did because we did go I think we did very good work, very convincing, very rigorous, and very different from the traditional way people were thinking about leadership. So you know, when I'm looking through your CV curriculum Pita and talking to some of your colleagues and reading. It looks to me as though one of your earliest publications on leadership was governance and leadership for social change. Form Democracy in Spanish. Right. So how did you get there? Yeah. There's two things I want to say about that. The first one is I started doing this stuff, and at the same time, the work on reform that I was doing was like really also being very successful and I was being asked to do a lot of work and I did books with a colleague from Latin America. And at some point, I was going crazy because these were so two so different areas that I was I was feeling like schizophrenic, you know, on this side, I was reading this more traditional reform kind of stuff and on this side, all these interesting in the making ways of thinking about leadership. And I was trying to navigate that word world. And for example, I wanted to go to the conference in reform, but I didn't want to talk about the stuff that, you know, I wanted to talk about leadership. So I said, what the heck? Why not introduce these ideas in that conference. And so I wrote it in Spanish, I sent it. They they loved it, I got published. And, you know, that was the beginning of a conversation about the same topic in America in Latin America. And I have to say to you that writing it in Spanish was so helpful for me to clarify things. We're not so clear when I thought about them in English. But when I thought about them in Spanish, doors open up that weren't opening. So I do think my bias we least the Spanish as your first language. Spanish is my first language. Yeah. And there's a nice story yesterday in the opening session in the party, a young man came to profess Professor Latino Professor came to me and said, I want to say something to you. When I read your stuff and I first read some of your Spanish work, it changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do in my PhD. I was I was so moved and I said, tell me more, and he said, Well, you know, I was being trained in English in the traditional ways of thinking about leadership. And then I looked for stuff in Spanish and I or I don't know how he got to my name or or my Spanish and he said, I read every single thing that was in Spanish that you that you did. And it was like a transformation from me. It was transformative for me. And I was I was saying to him that, you know, like there's having these two ways of thinking in English and in Spanish because the language language is life, language is a world. Language. Xs world Expressive ways of thinking that are embedded in the culture. Right. Right. And so you end up getting to the more expressive side of yourself when you when you use your primary language, right? And so yeah. I I would I wish I had more time to write more things in in Spanish. I didn't. A lot of things we wrote in Spanish were co written with colleagues from the Leaders for changing world who were doing work with Latino organizations. And so we created these booklets in Spanish and translated some of the booklets that some of the other other social change leaders had done in English, also to Spanish so that it could be used in that context.