“I think in the totalitarian approaches, the top down where there’s an understanding that it’s a vision that’s up there and that needs to be imposed, it’s not even motivated like in liberal societies, it’s imposed. It’s a construction of leadership for that particular society, and it works for those who believe in that way of doing things, but, in that context, leadership for what? It’s leadership for bad stuff, you know. And then there are movements, there are people on the ground saying, no, that’s not going to work. And that’s a reaction where leadership happens in a different way and for different purposes.”
“Before doing the work, the leadership work, the leadership research, I was very interested based on my dissertation work on issues of organizational justice, and obviously issues of race, gender, ethnicity come up. There was a lot of occupational segregation, and so the clerical career ladder that I was looking at mostly was women of color. And their salaries were completely deflated compared to the analysts.”